Master Plan (SEE THIS TO CATCH UP RAYA)
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Master Plan (SEE THIS TO CATCH UP RAYA)
To the ever dastardly fox, Raya, detailing the goings-on of mafia game 14, and the master plan.
Hello, Raya. What a pleasure to make your acquaintance. As this thread says in the title, it's all about coming up to speed and detailing our current master plan. Frankly, despite what you might think, we’re not falling apart, although I wish badly that Weldar wasn’t dead. Aside from two rather big quirks, things have gone exactly as I'd hoped. Many clocks have been smashed.
I came up with an experimental plan called the Sacrificial Double Reacharound when we first started. It wasn’t something we wanted to really try, but were going to give thought to nonetheless. The primary idea was that I’d take down one comrade day 2 based on a controlled scumslip as well as some weaknesses in posts. Following this I’d get another day 3. On day 4 I’d go for a high profile townie, and Day 5 our godfather would take me out. By this point most other high-profile townies would be dead, and whoever unraveled my scheme would look amazingly positive. At the same time we’d have our 5th and 6th members stay enough out of the spotlight that they could work as a trump card, so if all the big dogs died the town would be clueless and we’d still be very strongly in the game. The thing is, without a godfather one stray SK shot or cop scan could mess everything up, and beyond that it was incredibly risky.
The whole plan was ludicrous, and I knew that when I designed it. It certainly hurt our chances of winning, and wasn’t something we’d want to try without a godfather. The main idea is that it would be an incredibly fun way to play, and if pulled off would be brilliant.
HOWEVER, there was one thing to gain from this plan: The idea of controlling how and when our team members go down. This has driven not merely my strategy but the team’s so far, as I’ve been attempting to manipulate the situation to actually benefit us if I die, though living is still better.
Ultimately, our goal was to win, and we had no godfather to fulfill this role, so we decided to scrap this plan. Everyone went into day 1 as normal.
However, things started to unravel a little towards the end. By sheer luck, smashbro picked up on Weldar. I didn’t want to push for Weldar, as frankly he had the most valuable power of us all. I posited a few theories, reacting to Requiem’s suspicious behavior and giving him a reaction test just as if I was a townie. Requiem passed. Viero posted with a pretty blatant scumslip. So before doing anything, I talked to Viero on Facebook, and he agreed I should call him out. We decided to plan out the entire argument so that Viero would live through Day 1 but go down in lynch Day 2 or possibly even Day 3. In the end, smashbro PM’ed me this:
I knew there was almost no time left in the dayphase, and threw my vote on Weldar, as I realized it was a good chance to get smashbro to trust me, and Weldar would be perfectly safe, ready to defend himself tomorrow if necessary, so we can support a lynch of Viero. We’d go into day 3 with one mafia dead but Weldar and I in great shape. That was the plan anyways.
Things here didn’t go as hoped. Requiem had a votesteal/doublevote power (this is confirmed, he slipped it to Fedaykin). This caused the tie between Weldar and Requiem to break in Weldar’s favor, resulting in his death. I’m happy that it turns out I wasn’t the direct cause, but I still wish that hadn’t happened, as if Weldar was alive now things would be far better.
HOWEVER, Weldar’s death made smashbro PM me stating this:
This was a good thing. I understand that a lot of townies will follow my lead due to my reputation as a scumhunter, and it’s great to be linked to a partner who isn’t on my team, as if I die he could look scummy, and if he dies I could push my own innocence if necessary, though that would be hard.
This PM, Raya, was when I realized how invaluable of a recruit and ally you were. I found myself thinking of the Sacrificial Double Reacharound and realized that there was something valuable in it: Controlling the rate of mafia deaths and controlling how suspicion falls upon us to empower our positions. Like in a game of chess, position and ability can matter just as much as numbers here.
So I concocted a plan. I would pose as Peregrine Mendichant, or PM from the webcomic, whose sworn duty it is to protect the mail. In my alibi, I’m capable of using three regular PMs to one person, and beyond that can respond once to every message someone sends me. With smashbro I would build an alliance, as anyone in my position would do, and get him to trust you, Raya. I’d PM you once as a townie so you could send me a natural response, and I could forward that to smashbro and react appropriately. It would be all natural. Once we were properly established as being distanced from each other, I could recruit you. If the recruit succeeded, we could plan how to manipulate smash together, and possibly, if I ever believed he was suspicious of one of us, we could start to act against each other.
At the same time, we could keep Fedaykin and td260 out of the town’s attention for a while, either by focusing on what they post and when to make them look innocent, or just having them lay low. This way, when I died eventually, hopefully Raya and smashbro, and probably Perry too, would be either converted or dead, and the town would have little to nothing to go on, giving us a good shot at victory.
In the meantime, I had learned of Requiem’s vote-manip powers from Fedaykin, to whom he had slipped it in steam. This fit extraordinarily well with what happened to Weldar day 1, and explained a lot. Fed advocated killing Requiem night 1. I said we should kill Avalanche, as he was another good player, and we wanted you on our team given that smashbro already advocated linking with you. Moreover, I knew that if I played my cards right, we could effectively control him. I decided to withold info about Requiem’s role for now from smashbro, and build up to the conclusion rather than risk telling him right away. Make it natural.
So I responded with this:
Here I planted the seeds of entering you into the alliance. I did it in a believable way, and one that, if you declined the recruit, would still be perfectly passable, even if you accused me. Had you declined the recruit, my aim (prior to thinking you would know my identity) was to get you into the alliance and try to gradually set you and smash against each other, but to me that was akin to playing with fire. You and smashbro are both really good players, and one slip could ruin it all.
Once I knew that the recruit would reveal my identity, I did everything I could to set things up so that if it failed, I could mount a successful defense against you day 3 and actually bring you down. Smash doesn’t suspect you, but he and I are in a state where if I made the right moves he’d back me up, and we’d fend off your attack, though there’s no guarantee I would live through day 4. Now that you joined us, the right moves can get you into our alliance, easily, as to put it bluntly Avalanche had an innocent scan on you prior to recruit. Smash visited Av’s dreambubble night 2. You’re golden. Point is I was prepared for either scenario.
Anyways, here two things didn’t work out as planned. The first was a vigilante (AvosMeLardo) targeting Viero. This caused us to be down two mafians by the end of night 1 rather than my preferred 0 (as I wanted Viero to go down day 2, but nobody before that). This also got rid of the lynch target smash and I had planned out, and left us with a dangerous void for a town that we couldn’t yet control. I felt I could work around that though. Keeping suspicion off of td260 and Fedaykin was simple enough. I was also on great standing with smashbro, though I felt he was still testing me a little, and I still do think he holds some doubts, as any good player in his spot would. I was in a bit of a panic day 2 primarily because of the second hitch in this part of the plan:
Avos comes out of nowhere and calls me out. THANKFULLY it was literally that far out of nowhere, and he was only partially right. First off, I didn’t want either Viero or Weldar to die in the first cycle, it really was luck, just very bad luck… Second, smashbro is innocent. His theory was, as I suspected it would be, but feared it wouldn’t be, dismissed, and he looked like a crackpot. In a way, this kind of helped things, as I was able to see who trusted me and smash, and beyond that could use some of the more obsequious ones as bait for a future lynch. The only better distraction than Avos’ theory would have been if someone died and turned up Zombie.
—Avos, when you read this postgame: Know how you should react to that sort of theory of your own. As a vigilante, either keep it silent and shoot one of us if you’re that convinced, or mention it to the town but don’t push for a lynch when there’s nothing to go on You condemned people for following the good players and then advocated killing the good players. Odd path to follow, my friend.—
It’s too bad too. I’d kind of considered recruiting smash before he came up with this theory. I think you were a much better choice though, as once smash and I were linked, the mafia benefits way more by having only one of us be scum.
Smash meanwhile sends me this.
To which I responded:
My response was mostly theorizing, and more importantly leading him away from the other mafians while still remaining quite logical in my context as a scumhunter. I put Avos down as a likely innocent because condemning him felt silly. He was after me and smash, sure, but I think the more rational opinion was that he was just paranoid. By mentioning the thing with the dreambubbles I showed some genuine caution, and that always helps.
Anyways, day 2 continued, and I told td260 and Fedaykin to either lay low or be careful in their posts so as to avoid attracting attention to themselves. In the meantime, knowing Fed was basically our trump card, I avoided mentioning him for the most part aside from a couple offhand comments to smash that probably can’t do any damage (they actually supported him being town), and td260 I just mentioned for not talking much, because I’d be doing him a disservice if he and Fed were the only ones I didn’t talk about, but didn’t pressure or put suspicion on at all.
Fed has been fine, as I thought he would be. There’s a reason he was able to win Game 10 as that ridiculously hard Upriser role. Td260 has been primarily playing well aside from falling into one of his more usual mafia patterns of lurking on the edge of discussion and only doing a nightphase review and general input (though I dunno who would notice). However he did scum-slip, giving me a moment of panic and almost rage, I will confess, but I think he’s perfectly salvageable, as long as we all participate in discussing how his defense should be shaped, and in finding a better target. I voted td260 saying he was a better target than either Avos or Sonix at this point, for two reasons. First, because from a townie’s perspective that was true. Second, because I knew he was safe due to Req’s votesteal/doublevote. If we’d been wrong about Requiem and td had died, I’d have been pretty distraught, I will confess. That would NOT have been according to plan.
At this point I knew what I wanted to do regarding you, Raya. In accordance with the plan smash and I had created, I sent you one PM as a townie, knowing it would do several things.
The first, as I said above, provoke a natural response so I could relay it to smashbro and it wouldn’t look fishy. We could build off this response to set each other slightly apart in the case that my recruit was successful. If it was unsuccessful, I could use this to try to set smash against you gradually, and possibly vice versa as well.
The second, I knew it would make you slightly suspicious of me, as it surely did, and would possibly even help you make the connection between me and your recruit. I was fully prepared to counter this day 3 if you refused and learned I was mafian, but I was still sincerely hoping you’d join us.
The third, your accusation of Sonix felt OOC to your logic. I felt that it was either based on some power of yours, or on being in either a mason group or cult, possibly even with smash himself, which would mean he was suspicious of me enough to avoid trying to recruit me night 1, though that’s a good cautionary move either way. Sure enough, you gave me a bit to go on here.
Snake told me that the recruit could reveal me if it failed, so I decided to PM the recruit with only a few minutes left in the dayphase so I’d hear back asap and we’d kill you at night if you declined. Imagine my rage when Snake says that doing so was too much of a loophole and we were forbidden from killing you at night. IT’S NOT A LOOPHOLE IF I DON’T EVEN KNOW THE RULES . Not to mention that I could no longer send you the long persuasive PM I’d typed up, one I was almost sure would succeed :3. I’ll show it to you at some point. I recognized that you’d be kind of hesitant to join a mafia that lost two people night 1: Anyone would. But the PM was to explain to you that the mafia isn’t actually in that bad of a shape, though the loss of Viero and Weldar hurt us a bit, and to entice you into, as you said, starting another Game 3 situation with me as your partner. We could work together to capture the wild Squirtle :3
Smash sent me THIS at the end of day 2:
This was beautiful. I gained a little faith in the idea of smashbro trusting me, and I finally saw my chance here with Requiem. I did THIS in response:
I avoided mentioning you to Perry at this point, I talked about Perry being innocent as a possible way to gain his trust, and mentioned Req’s votesteal and added a couple red herrings in the form of suspicion against DF, Sonix, and especially Relmitos. I also again downplayed td260’s role.
If Perry lives to see the day, there’s a good chance he’ll contact me or smashbro now. I’m hoping he goes for me, as I want as much control of this alliance as possible. I could have myself a third puppet. Relmitos, if he isn’t lynched, (and I doubt he will be unless we play this exceedingly well) could be a fourth, based on how much he defended me.
So there you have it. Right now I’m posed as one of the two heads of a town coalition, and have effectively gained control of Requiem, Smashbro, and hopefully Perry. I think that if necessary I could get Relmitos under my thumb as well, but right now he makes a pretty decent scapegoat for the lynch.
We need an order of lynches. Ideally we want to get attention off td260 in a good, subtle way. If we play our cards right we can win on day 5 or 6. I’d love to see a mafia win right now, given the situation we’ve clawed our way out of. I’m not counting on anything though. We have to play it safe. We can’t assume we’ve won even if we can arguably force a tie by controlling Req today.
Hello, Raya. What a pleasure to make your acquaintance. As this thread says in the title, it's all about coming up to speed and detailing our current master plan. Frankly, despite what you might think, we’re not falling apart, although I wish badly that Weldar wasn’t dead. Aside from two rather big quirks, things have gone exactly as I'd hoped. Many clocks have been smashed.
I came up with an experimental plan called the Sacrificial Double Reacharound when we first started. It wasn’t something we wanted to really try, but were going to give thought to nonetheless. The primary idea was that I’d take down one comrade day 2 based on a controlled scumslip as well as some weaknesses in posts. Following this I’d get another day 3. On day 4 I’d go for a high profile townie, and Day 5 our godfather would take me out. By this point most other high-profile townies would be dead, and whoever unraveled my scheme would look amazingly positive. At the same time we’d have our 5th and 6th members stay enough out of the spotlight that they could work as a trump card, so if all the big dogs died the town would be clueless and we’d still be very strongly in the game. The thing is, without a godfather one stray SK shot or cop scan could mess everything up, and beyond that it was incredibly risky.
The whole plan was ludicrous, and I knew that when I designed it. It certainly hurt our chances of winning, and wasn’t something we’d want to try without a godfather. The main idea is that it would be an incredibly fun way to play, and if pulled off would be brilliant.
HOWEVER, there was one thing to gain from this plan: The idea of controlling how and when our team members go down. This has driven not merely my strategy but the team’s so far, as I’ve been attempting to manipulate the situation to actually benefit us if I die, though living is still better.
Ultimately, our goal was to win, and we had no godfather to fulfill this role, so we decided to scrap this plan. Everyone went into day 1 as normal.
However, things started to unravel a little towards the end. By sheer luck, smashbro picked up on Weldar. I didn’t want to push for Weldar, as frankly he had the most valuable power of us all. I posited a few theories, reacting to Requiem’s suspicious behavior and giving him a reaction test just as if I was a townie. Requiem passed. Viero posted with a pretty blatant scumslip. So before doing anything, I talked to Viero on Facebook, and he agreed I should call him out. We decided to plan out the entire argument so that Viero would live through Day 1 but go down in lynch Day 2 or possibly even Day 3. In the end, smashbro PM’ed me this:
- Spoiler:
- Or you could just throw the vote on Weldar and tie it up.
I have no problem changing my vote onto Viero, but that will widen the gap between Weldar and no one, and I want someone gone cause it can provide me some insight on my suspicions. I think night falls around 10 PST. I'll change to Viero, but if others don't follow suit, I'm switching back to Weldar before night.
I knew there was almost no time left in the dayphase, and threw my vote on Weldar, as I realized it was a good chance to get smashbro to trust me, and Weldar would be perfectly safe, ready to defend himself tomorrow if necessary, so we can support a lynch of Viero. We’d go into day 3 with one mafia dead but Weldar and I in great shape. That was the plan anyways.
Things here didn’t go as hoped. Requiem had a votesteal/doublevote power (this is confirmed, he slipped it to Fedaykin). This caused the tie between Weldar and Requiem to break in Weldar’s favor, resulting in his death. I’m happy that it turns out I wasn’t the direct cause, but I still wish that hadn’t happened, as if Weldar was alive now things would be far better.
HOWEVER, Weldar’s death made smashbro PM me stating this:
- Spoiler:
- Alright, here's PM 3.
I feel like I can really trust you now. So far whatever I'm doing seems to be working out. Just hoping I don't end up falling into a Game 3 repeat. Wouldn't put it past you to knock out some of your own team to gain trust if you are mafia. But shit, if there's a possibility of like a 3 person alliance between you, me, and Raya, that sounds pretty cool. I bring her up cause of her early vote on Weldar, other than that I got nothing to go on.
I felt the same about Viero and Weldar. Viero seemed more likely to be mafia, but I'll take what happened. At least now there's a good lynch target for tomorrow.
Here's the thing about me. I got the talk-to-dead-people role again... kinda. When the dead die, they are in dream bubbles and I can "connect" with them. Snake will not tell me what connecting means until I try it out on someone. Had Weldar turned up townie, I wouldn't hesitate, but I don't know the repercussions are of connecting with a mafian and will likely abstain from it tonight. Thoughts? Also, you read MSPA, what the hell are dream bubbles?
This was a good thing. I understand that a lot of townies will follow my lead due to my reputation as a scumhunter, and it’s great to be linked to a partner who isn’t on my team, as if I die he could look scummy, and if he dies I could push my own innocence if necessary, though that would be hard.
This PM, Raya, was when I realized how invaluable of a recruit and ally you were. I found myself thinking of the Sacrificial Double Reacharound and realized that there was something valuable in it: Controlling the rate of mafia deaths and controlling how suspicion falls upon us to empower our positions. Like in a game of chess, position and ability can matter just as much as numbers here.
So I concocted a plan. I would pose as Peregrine Mendichant, or PM from the webcomic, whose sworn duty it is to protect the mail. In my alibi, I’m capable of using three regular PMs to one person, and beyond that can respond once to every message someone sends me. With smashbro I would build an alliance, as anyone in my position would do, and get him to trust you, Raya. I’d PM you once as a townie so you could send me a natural response, and I could forward that to smashbro and react appropriately. It would be all natural. Once we were properly established as being distanced from each other, I could recruit you. If the recruit succeeded, we could plan how to manipulate smash together, and possibly, if I ever believed he was suspicious of one of us, we could start to act against each other.
At the same time, we could keep Fedaykin and td260 out of the town’s attention for a while, either by focusing on what they post and when to make them look innocent, or just having them lay low. This way, when I died eventually, hopefully Raya and smashbro, and probably Perry too, would be either converted or dead, and the town would have little to nothing to go on, giving us a good shot at victory.
In the meantime, I had learned of Requiem’s vote-manip powers from Fedaykin, to whom he had slipped it in steam. This fit extraordinarily well with what happened to Weldar day 1, and explained a lot. Fed advocated killing Requiem night 1. I said we should kill Avalanche, as he was another good player, and we wanted you on our team given that smashbro already advocated linking with you. Moreover, I knew that if I played my cards right, we could effectively control him. I decided to withold info about Requiem’s role for now from smashbro, and build up to the conclusion rather than risk telling him right away. Make it natural.
So I responded with this:
- Spoiler:
- Alright, I've taken my time a bit here because I wanted to analyze the thread, but don't want to take any longer as I'm not sure when morning is starting and don't think highly of my chances of survival, especially if Viero is indeed mafian.
Before I get to that, the idea of this three-way alliance is alluring, but I want to hear more from Raya than simply her initial vote on Weldar. We could attempt to get in contact with her today. A lot of mafians, particularly good players, will indeed at least vote against their own teammates early on to set themselves apart from them. I don't suspect her or anything, but we have to tread lightly with her. We'll see how she acts today, then perhaps try to get in contact with her.
Your role sounds like Aradia. In the webcomic she's one of the trolls who was actually dead since before it began, and ended up ascending to god tier and becoming alive again. To put it simply, anyways. Point is, at one point she uses her power to teleport to the Outer Ring and begins talking to dead people in dream bubbles. The dream bubbles, see, are where dreamers can interact with dead people, essentially. They exist in the Outer Ring, a space beyond the outskirts of the universe, within which both time and space are tumultuous and intertwining. To navigate you need to be skilled in the manipulation of both aspects. Within the outer ring are the dream bubbles, where people can physically meet the dead. This could be really useful.
Also, I'd agree. Don't risk connecting with a mafia player. There's the chance it could affect you negatively, and beyond that, he would try to deceive or at least confuse you. Weldar knows what he's doing.
My role is actually one quite useful to what we're doing. I can't tell you the character as per the rules, but the idea is THE MAIL NEVER FAILS. You'd get the hint if you were an MSPA reader Razz. I'm allowed 3 normal PMS to 1 person (though not to multiple, unlike a normal person can), and beyond that can respond once to every PM someone sends me, though I can't send except to respond. Not sure if I'm allowed to send more than three PMs to a person who I'm using my normal PMs on (3 normal plus 3 responses to their PMs if that makes sense), I've yet to hear back from Snake in my PM. It's an interesting connectivity role, hampered in its ability to actively seek and start alliances, but strong in its power to reciprocate and converse.
Tomorrow, I'll use my 3 PMs to contact Raya. I can gauge her reactions to try to see if she can be trusted.
As for the game, here are my current thoughts. On Night 1 it's a lot harder to gauge guilt than innocence, but I have a little of both below:
My suspicions against Viero stand. He's been getting much better at this game since he first joined, but what he did day 1 seems like a poor mafian move, a slip-up, if you will, and his defense was shabby.
I say that we focus on lynching him tomorrow, and see how others react. I find that some of the best information can be gathered based on this sort of thing. Look out for the ones who jump too quickly onto him without saying much, and of course for those who might defend him based on poor logic.
Beyond him, there's the few who bandwagoned on Req.
I concur with the suspicion of Sonix. I find it a pattern that weaker mafians tend to focus on the fact that there's 'nothing to go on' or 'everything is confusing'. Sonix, being in his first game, could fall into this suspicion. However, due to that same reason, he could still be innocent, so I don't think he's worth pushing until we find out more about him.
DF I'm less inclined to believe is mafian. Although she jumped quick on the Requiem bandwagon, she has a habit of voting defensively, one that is reflected throughout prior games. She can be watched, but she could easily be of either side.
Requiem himself I actually think is innocent. He was suspicious via his defensiveness, but given the circumstances (this being his second game, and he dying night 1 last game), I think he was just being uptight, especially with the nature of the bandwagon on him, as I still think it was to shield Weldar, however foolish that may be, and however likely it is that most weren't mafians. Today he's likely to attract a lot of attention, so before we contact him we should see how he reacts. I say this only because I want to be able to communicate with you, and because I want to use my normal 3 PMs on Raya.
TJ is interesting. He voted Requiem, and is smart enough that he could easily have used the defensiveness as a shield while he tried to save either Weldar or Perry. However, his reasons were good, especially since Req DID look pretty scummy, I'll admit.
Last person, Avalanche. He didn't do much, but it's worth noting that he held back from voting Weldar or Viero even after we posed our arguments. It's highly possible that he didn't want to see a teammate go down that early. He's a good player, but I've seen him do similar before. I'm watching him.
So plan for today? I say we get go for Viero, I'll use my three to contact Raya, and we can gauge Requiem to see if he can be trusted. Depending how that goes, we can contact him tonight or tomorrow.
Here I planted the seeds of entering you into the alliance. I did it in a believable way, and one that, if you declined the recruit, would still be perfectly passable, even if you accused me. Had you declined the recruit, my aim (prior to thinking you would know my identity) was to get you into the alliance and try to gradually set you and smash against each other, but to me that was akin to playing with fire. You and smashbro are both really good players, and one slip could ruin it all.
Once I knew that the recruit would reveal my identity, I did everything I could to set things up so that if it failed, I could mount a successful defense against you day 3 and actually bring you down. Smash doesn’t suspect you, but he and I are in a state where if I made the right moves he’d back me up, and we’d fend off your attack, though there’s no guarantee I would live through day 4. Now that you joined us, the right moves can get you into our alliance, easily, as to put it bluntly Avalanche had an innocent scan on you prior to recruit. Smash visited Av’s dreambubble night 2. You’re golden. Point is I was prepared for either scenario.
Anyways, here two things didn’t work out as planned. The first was a vigilante (AvosMeLardo) targeting Viero. This caused us to be down two mafians by the end of night 1 rather than my preferred 0 (as I wanted Viero to go down day 2, but nobody before that). This also got rid of the lynch target smash and I had planned out, and left us with a dangerous void for a town that we couldn’t yet control. I felt I could work around that though. Keeping suspicion off of td260 and Fedaykin was simple enough. I was also on great standing with smashbro, though I felt he was still testing me a little, and I still do think he holds some doubts, as any good player in his spot would. I was in a bit of a panic day 2 primarily because of the second hitch in this part of the plan:
Avos comes out of nowhere and calls me out. THANKFULLY it was literally that far out of nowhere, and he was only partially right. First off, I didn’t want either Viero or Weldar to die in the first cycle, it really was luck, just very bad luck… Second, smashbro is innocent. His theory was, as I suspected it would be, but feared it wouldn’t be, dismissed, and he looked like a crackpot. In a way, this kind of helped things, as I was able to see who trusted me and smash, and beyond that could use some of the more obsequious ones as bait for a future lynch. The only better distraction than Avos’ theory would have been if someone died and turned up Zombie.
—Avos, when you read this postgame: Know how you should react to that sort of theory of your own. As a vigilante, either keep it silent and shoot one of us if you’re that convinced, or mention it to the town but don’t push for a lynch when there’s nothing to go on You condemned people for following the good players and then advocated killing the good players. Odd path to follow, my friend.—
It’s too bad too. I’d kind of considered recruiting smash before he came up with this theory. I think you were a much better choice though, as once smash and I were linked, the mafia benefits way more by having only one of us be scum.
Smash meanwhile sends me this.
- Spoiler:
- Oh, hey, we both survived! :B Wanted to wait a little bit on a reply in case anything were to come up, and something did, but more an that later.
Firstly, I knew I forgot something with the last PM: an outline of suspicions. For the most part they pretty much aligned with yours. A look back at DarkFalco led me to think less of her as a possible mafian, and Requiem I'm inclined to believe is not mafian, if anything. Viero is dead, so is Av, the latter I didn't give much thought to even with his last post. TheTJ I kinda overlooked, and I like that you brought him up. Need to get that dude to post more.
For now, I'm staying on Sonix for reasons stated. Avos had his way of jumping onto my suspicions list, but I can also see him just being overly paranoid.
Also, yeah, I don't get the reference since I haven't read MSPA, but I did some sleuthing of the refernce (had to get past the links to Blue's Clues first).
About the dreambubbles thing. Turns out that Camilla is actually playing and that first death was not flavor text. Picked her dream bubble when I found that out. So how it works is that there's a separate forum that players post in when they die. Once dead, they make a thread titled "<This Character's> Dreambubble". If I pick them, I'm free to browse and post in their thread. Had I picked Weldar, it'd be the same. Also, anyone who dies can also post in threads of those who died before them. So Weldar's character, as well as the recent 3 now, are posting in Camilla's thread too. So far, I haven't been able to get any information, but it'll be more useful once another night or two passes. For now it's mostly these MSPA readers acting in character, which I'm trying to do as well and seem to be doing a good job according to Snake.
NepetaInABox wrote:I know you don't read Homestuck...
Shit man, you really did your research. I want to see if any of them can figure out it is you. I know I wouldnt have been able to figure it out myself.
:B
Also, I'm glad I waited, cause Perry brought up something in the thread that I didn't think of: Doc Scratch. Snake's moderator name is Doc Scratch in the dreambubbles forum. I do recall snake saying somewhere (either in skype or in a mafia thread) that he wanted Doc Scratch to be the GM. I don't know what kind of character Doc Scratch is, but I do suspect omnipotent. Here's a wild idea, we may actually have to lynch Snake at some point. Crazy? Maybe, hence why I'm telling you this.
So yeah, how's it going with Raya?
To which I responded:
- Spoiler:
- I actually haven't had a chance to PM Raya yet. I was at work forever today, only just recently got the chance to use my dad's laptop.
I am actually surprised that both of us are alive. The fact that the mafia at least didn't go for us is surprising, and lends a little credence to the idea that Avos might be mafia, as they might be hoping he could do a successful takedown before dying, effectively wasting a dayphase for the town. This is, of course, unless Fedaykin is right and the last "SOMEONE DIED" followed by "SOMEONE IS VERY MUCH ALIVE" was a doc save, in which case I feel we were likely targets.
Aside from what was mentioned above, I'm inclined to think that he's just being paranoid. I don't think that after losing two members, the mafia would throw out a third, especially since he would succeed in taking down one of us at most.
I'll give Sonix thought, might vote on him in a bit. I concur with your suspicions of him, but I really would like to hear what he has to say before pushing this, as given the number of deaths each night, the wrong moves could quickly make this game go south. I'm hoping that at least one of those was a one-time thing. If he doesn't do anything by the end of the dayphase and no better lynch target emerges, I'll go for it.
I want to see more activity out of TJ, Sonix, DarkFalco, and Minby. Minby went for a no-vote Day 1, the other three were among those who piled onto Requiem. Requiem seems logical, and for now I think he might be trustworthy, as mentioned before.
What are your thoughts on Perry?
The Dreambubbles seem really, really useful. By 'acting in character' do you mean they post under the guises of their characters? Granted, that doesn't matter, as everyone's identity seems to be revealed on death. but I feel it's creative.
I'm impressed with Snake, it's like a better, more creative version of my Game 6 Zombie forum. Interesting theory: Does everyone have access to everyone else's dream bubbles, and is your presence announced when you enter someone's? If the answer to both questions is no, you could try entering a mafian dream bubble and saying nothing, and see if they give something away. Might be a useful way to pick up leads, but that's only if you want to risk connecting with a mafian, as I'm still concerned it could have negative side effects.
You hit the nail on the head with Doc Scratch about omnipotence. To explain, I'll give you a bit of background here.
First, the story centers around John, Dave, Jade, and Rose. They exist in our universe.
Around act 4, we are slowly introduced to the Trolls. They're initially depicted as regular old internet trolls. It turns out, however, that they actually are aliens, existing in a parallel universe. They are Karkat, Terezi, Kanaya, Vriska, Gamzee, Eridan, Feferi, Nepeta, Aradia, Sollux, Tavros, Vriska.
There's also this big indestructible demon called Lord English. Lord English is supposed to arrive at the end of existence due to some event. What that event is, nobody is sure, though there are countless theories. However, the main idea is that due to time travel, he's actually here at all times. There's a string of code in ~ATH (some universe-altering programming language) that keys the summoning of Lord English, and the demon himself is actually here at all times, trying to further his own summoning.
Now, the First Guardians. You see, every planet is created with an entity meant to protect it. This entity is omnipotent, save for a few curious aspects of the timeline. Doc Scratch is the First Guardian for the trolls, Becquerel is the First Guardian for the Kids. Becquerel is Jade's dog.
The reason this is significant is that Jack Noir, the current central antagonist (or Jackspers, or Bec Noir, or the Sovereign Slayer), was gradually given power throughout the series. At one point, Jade unwittingly gave him the powers of Becquerel, the First Guardian of Earth. This made him, in short, omnipotent. Jack has taken to random teleport-stabbings to kill whoever teh fuck he wants, but for whatever reason cannot kill Jade, as he still retains some doggy love for her :3
Anyways, this made me actually surprised that Bec Noir was a mafian role; it seemed much more fitting to be a SK. Then again the mafia also had Vriska, one of the trolls (though she's not exactly heroic).
Now, to finally get to my point: Because Jack is all of the sudden unbeatable, the kids are attempting to fly out to the Outer Ring (that place beyond the universes) and destroy the Green Sun, a star with 1.5 times the mass of our universe, in order to eliminate the First Guardians' powers and allow them to kill Jack Noir.
The reason this is important is that this is theorized to be the event that will summon Lord English, and make everything even worse.
I fear that lynching Snake might constitute summoning that very demon, and that could be a major problem.
The alternative, of course, is that Snake actually IS Lord English itself, in which case we'll HAVE to lynch him.
Watch out for a Snowman Role as well, as if Snowman dies in the webseries, the universe ends. Snowman primarily uses a cigarette that can transform into a lance. It's possible she was behind one of the deaths last night. The BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH thing is a reference to how Spades Slick and Jack Noir refer to Snowman and others they dislike: This is because Snowman knows she's tied to the life of the universe, and uses it to torment people.
Have you had contact with any others yet?
My response was mostly theorizing, and more importantly leading him away from the other mafians while still remaining quite logical in my context as a scumhunter. I put Avos down as a likely innocent because condemning him felt silly. He was after me and smash, sure, but I think the more rational opinion was that he was just paranoid. By mentioning the thing with the dreambubbles I showed some genuine caution, and that always helps.
Anyways, day 2 continued, and I told td260 and Fedaykin to either lay low or be careful in their posts so as to avoid attracting attention to themselves. In the meantime, knowing Fed was basically our trump card, I avoided mentioning him for the most part aside from a couple offhand comments to smash that probably can’t do any damage (they actually supported him being town), and td260 I just mentioned for not talking much, because I’d be doing him a disservice if he and Fed were the only ones I didn’t talk about, but didn’t pressure or put suspicion on at all.
Fed has been fine, as I thought he would be. There’s a reason he was able to win Game 10 as that ridiculously hard Upriser role. Td260 has been primarily playing well aside from falling into one of his more usual mafia patterns of lurking on the edge of discussion and only doing a nightphase review and general input (though I dunno who would notice). However he did scum-slip, giving me a moment of panic and almost rage, I will confess, but I think he’s perfectly salvageable, as long as we all participate in discussing how his defense should be shaped, and in finding a better target. I voted td260 saying he was a better target than either Avos or Sonix at this point, for two reasons. First, because from a townie’s perspective that was true. Second, because I knew he was safe due to Req’s votesteal/doublevote. If we’d been wrong about Requiem and td had died, I’d have been pretty distraught, I will confess. That would NOT have been according to plan.
At this point I knew what I wanted to do regarding you, Raya. In accordance with the plan smash and I had created, I sent you one PM as a townie, knowing it would do several things.
The first, as I said above, provoke a natural response so I could relay it to smashbro and it wouldn’t look fishy. We could build off this response to set each other slightly apart in the case that my recruit was successful. If it was unsuccessful, I could use this to try to set smash against you gradually, and possibly vice versa as well.
The second, I knew it would make you slightly suspicious of me, as it surely did, and would possibly even help you make the connection between me and your recruit. I was fully prepared to counter this day 3 if you refused and learned I was mafian, but I was still sincerely hoping you’d join us.
The third, your accusation of Sonix felt OOC to your logic. I felt that it was either based on some power of yours, or on being in either a mason group or cult, possibly even with smash himself, which would mean he was suspicious of me enough to avoid trying to recruit me night 1, though that’s a good cautionary move either way. Sure enough, you gave me a bit to go on here.
Snake told me that the recruit could reveal me if it failed, so I decided to PM the recruit with only a few minutes left in the dayphase so I’d hear back asap and we’d kill you at night if you declined. Imagine my rage when Snake says that doing so was too much of a loophole and we were forbidden from killing you at night. IT’S NOT A LOOPHOLE IF I DON’T EVEN KNOW THE RULES . Not to mention that I could no longer send you the long persuasive PM I’d typed up, one I was almost sure would succeed :3. I’ll show it to you at some point. I recognized that you’d be kind of hesitant to join a mafia that lost two people night 1: Anyone would. But the PM was to explain to you that the mafia isn’t actually in that bad of a shape, though the loss of Viero and Weldar hurt us a bit, and to entice you into, as you said, starting another Game 3 situation with me as your partner. We could work together to capture the wild Squirtle :3
Smash sent me THIS at the end of day 2:
- Spoiler:
- [quote=”Quaetam”]What are your thoughts on Perry?
Perry I think is one of two things. He is either mafian, and defending us from Avos's theory to get on our good side and try to hide in plain sight. Or, he is a townie and using the advantage the town has now in order to help sniff out other mafia players like we are. As far as deciding the difference, you're better at that than me.
[quote=”Quaetam”]The Dreambubbles seem really, really useful. By 'acting in character' do you mean they post under the guises of their characters? Granted, that doesn't matter, as everyone's identity seems to be revealed on death. but I feel it's creative.
I'm impressed with Snake, it's like a better, more creative version of my Game 6 Zombie forum. Interesting theory: Does everyone have access to everyone else's dream bubbles, and is your presence announced when you enter someone's? If the answer to both questions is no, you could try entering a mafian dream bubble and saying nothing, and see if they give something away. Might be a useful way to pick up leads, but that's only if you want to risk connecting with a mafian, as I'm still concerned it could have negative side effects.[/quote]
They post like how they would in th4e webcomic, what W1TH 4LL TH3 NUMB3RS and glub glubs and TH-----ES-----E 0r :::Smile. It really isn't required for them to post in character, per say (so as to not piss off non MSPAers according to Doc), other than the typing quirk, but Camilla really went then extra mile with Feferi, so a trend has kinda been set. Helps that most people there do read MSPA.
People can only post in dream bubbles of players that have died before them. So Camilla is stuck in her own thread, but someone like Viero has free reign over everyone. (Not sure, but I think with the three recent that died may be able to post in each others). My presence is also not announced. I'm just allowed to view and post in the player's thread. I don't know if they know about it though, doubt it. The idea sounds like it could be a good one, maybe worth trying later. But for tonight, I want to connect with Avalanche's bubble since it seems he was the cop.
[quote=”Quaetam”]Have you had contact with any others yet? [/quote]
Other than you and the dreambubbles, no.
I'll send you my last PM one way or another after I can get some info from Avalanche. I have kind of a crazy idea. With my last PM, I could message another player saying "Send a PM to Quaetam for me, and tell him that <this person> is <in mafia or not>. He'll understand." Since you can respond to received PMs, this could get us another person in our contacts list. But who? My first thought is Requiem, and unless you reply saying to "Send your last PM to" someone else, I'll send it to him. Another possible option would be Perry.
Reply also when you get some info from Raya that you might wanna reciprocate.
I keep forgetting this: When the hell are you gonna get on steam so I can talk to you normally again? :B
This was beautiful. I gained a little faith in the idea of smashbro trusting me, and I finally saw my chance here with Requiem. I did THIS in response:
- Spoiler:
- [/quote] Perry speaks with reason, for independence and thoughtfulness, and has been pretty perceptive so far. He COULD be acting obsequious, but I find it's less likely due to the independence in action to us. He didn't follow our initial pressuring of Sonix, and instead went out and made a much sounder accusation against td260. If he's a mafian or third party he's playing the spot well.
I can see the in-character posting being an inconvenience >.<
And do you have a facebook? I could easily contact you there, as I don't have steam on my dad's laptop :3 I will say that I don't have this laptop for the next three RL days, so communicating will be via IPod, and I doubt I can participate as heavily.
I like your suggestion for the last PM, and I think Requiem is a good choice. I'm currently brooding on him as I've just remembered something I forgot to mention this in my last PM to you, and was reminded by Avos still dying (and being the only death, as frankly with Snake I'll wager a kill-them-both is possible) when td260 was tied with him. I think Requiem has a votesteal or doublevote power. If you look at the day 1 results, Weldar wasn't expecting to die, and thought his lynch was bullshit, as he was tied with Requiem at the end. I think he used a votesteal or doublevote to move one of the votes off himself onto Weldar then, and I think he did the same now from one of the other players onto Avos.
If I'm correct, it doesn't clear things up much, but this kind of ability is usually something a mafia wields. The only problem with that idea is that I don't know why he would use it to kill Weldar. It could have been a lock-in power, used much earlier to save his own hide by trying to force a tie, and he was unable to change it when Weldar surpassed him. Either way with Snake hosting this game I think he would be careful, or at least Weldar in this scenario, would caution him against forcing a tie with a teammate, as I still bet Snake has a kill-them-all policy. Req doesn't seem like the kind of guy to take that risk.
I thus think there's a better chance he could be a town mindtaker: It was Sollux who ended Vriska's life, and Sollux not only has psychic powers but is quite benevolent. He seems much more like a town role than scum.
To help test Req's alignment we've got a good course of action: You PM Req with your last tonight, telling him to relay that message to me. In the morning, PM me the same information. If he's scum, there's a chance he'll lie to try to lead us off by changing the result. Granted a good player can see past this strategy, but it's worth a shot to prove if we can at least trust him, and if he DOES lie, then hey, we've got ourselves another good lynch. This method will also allow me to reply to your PM, that way we can stay in touch and I can use my standard three to try to get in touch with someone else and test their reactions. Perry, Fed, or Relmitos are all interesting choices to contact, though I haven't given the latter two much thought yet.
As for Raya, I basically told her I wasn't sure if I could trust her and asked her what she thought of the lynch on Sonix, as well as her opinions of Avos and Req. Her response was this (I divided it by paragraphs in the quotes below):
[quote=”Raya”]I'm leaning towards you being innocent Q, but I am a bit suspicious of you contacting me. I haven't particularly proved my innocence much this game, so sending me a message out of the blue seems a bit...odd. Either you're innocent and trying to sound me out via PM, or you're mafian and trying to find out what I know.[/quote]
The fact that she reacted as cautious as she did bodes well, as I could see a mafian Raya trying to use this chance to manipulate me. However...
[quote=”Raya”]For Sonix, I voted for him because he should have died in the night. I didn't attempt to kill him before you say anything; if I had a killing power I'd have gone for a more suspicious target like Vie (plus I never get killing powers in mafia Sad). But I know some weird shit went on in the night and Sonix somehow survived. Hence my suggestion of the godfather ability. Not sure if he is or not, but the ability to dodge death is always suspicious.[/quote]
Now THIS is interesting, and makes me slightly suspicious. Because, frankly, it doesn't make much sense. Raya could have been in PM-contact with the fourth killer from night 1 (as I think the three kills were mafia, vigilante, and SK, with a fourth being blocked by something or redirected). The problem with this is that she's pretty busy, and, as she said, hasn't been able to do much in the thread to garner trust. I thus doubt that a killer would come in contact with her so quickly. Either Raya is lying and DOES have a killing power, or she's in a mason/cult group with whoever used that fourth shot, or was Nepeta-loverbonded, assuming that's what Nepeta can do, given her propensity for shipping. (This assumes of course that lovers get infinite PMs between them or something). If she's in a mason group, she would make a great addition, I simply have yet to think of what element of Homestuck would best constitute masons.
Slightly relevant, Sonix could well be godfather, but I could just as easily see him being saved by a random power-switch or protect, though frankly for someone to random protect night one after either of us were good potential targets would be quite foolish.
Granted, Raya could also be a benevolent killer who withheld her identity because she doesn't trust me that much, but it still bothers me a little. She's too capable to ignore that if I was mafian, I could easily guess that she might be lying, and direct a kill towards her to try to eliminate her quickly. You can never be too careful with Raya, so I think I want to hear more before confiding in her. I haven't responded to her last PM yet, so I should be able to contact her straightaway. Your thoughts?
[quote=”Raya”]I'm not too sure about Req myself, though you raise a good point about vote stealing. However, I don't think the mafia would switch a vote onto Weldar to kill him and frame Req; look how pissed Weldar got at his death. If Weldar survived even though he would have been under suspicion it would be an extra day alive for him, and also a wasted day for the town as he argued. Besides, I'm innocent, and I believe you and Smash may be too, which leaves Weldar as the last player seen as top-tier. Why would the mafia sacrifice such a strong player? Surely they'd be better off going for their weakest link? I'm a bit 50/50 with Req atm.[/quote]
I actually agree with this, and mentioned some of it in my reasoning about Req above. This supports the idea that Requiem may be innocent, so bringing him into the circle is a pretty good potential choice.
[quote=”Raya”]Avos...I think he might just be crazy. As Perry said we don't know his true play style, plus he is fairly new. I'd think the mafia would try and reign him in if he were guilty (though maybe that's putting too much faith in the mafia Razz). Again I'm not 100%, but I'm leaning towards townie. He seems more innocent than Req anyway.[/quote]
And yes, Avos was indeed a townie, and probably a pretty valuable one at that... I think he was our vigilante, to be honest. This doesn't bode well, though then again it might not be a bad thing as I could easily have seen him gunning for one of us tonight -_-.[/quote]
This did two things. First, the part about Requiem was the obvious first step to gaining control over his power. By having smashbro relay what I’d hoped would be agreement of my suspicions that Req is innocent through Requiem, Req would hopefully begin to trust me more. It was the first step towards manipulating him, hopefully. Furthermore, I could fit in with my alibi by trusting him.
Second, as I mentioned before, it set us (you being Raya and me being me) apart. This is perfect for a three way coalition involving two mafians. You can also see here part of the argument I would have used against you had you refused the recruit. In the case of your acceptance I still included the clause that I’d stay in contact with you, so I could easily pave the way for your entry into our alliance.
Finally, I threw the last thing in about Avos just for flavor
I couldn’t avoid mentioning td260 as frankly he was the one I’d just voted for. However, I downplayed his significance severely. I think we can avoid a lynch on him if this is played right.
Especially because last night, Perry jailed me, (putting me in a memo as Karkat, hence my lack of talking to him) and I was able to give him a pretty good townie message, from what I can tell.
[spoiler][quote=”Quaetam”] Hi Karkat. That is, I’m going to assume this is Karkat due to the memo and the FUCKASS Razz. I don’t know who you are but I’ve got little doubt that the Karkat role would be a townie, so I’m going to voice my more prominent opinions here.
So first on the agenda, DarkFalco. She’s an interesting case as she’s only made about two or three posts, and the latest was a pretty blind following of smashbro. I’m kind of inclined to believe she’s innocent, or at least reserve judgment, simply because I’ve seen this behavior in her in other games on any side. She should be watched, but not suspected yet. She followed the Sonix bandwagon a little too quickly, and while I still am looking a little square-ways at Sonix, Perry had a point that he is a new player, and his reaction wasn’t too bad when I tested it later on. I didn’t want to press on him so early, especially since there wasn’t that much concrete evidence against him.
TJ is also of note, as he’s quite intelligent but has been skimming on the outskirts of the discussion. I want to hear more from him, really, before I decide either way. Same goes for td260 right now. I voted for him because I felt he was a better lynch than Avos and Sonix, and Perry had a good point with him, but I'd like to hear more from him before jumping to condemnation in a fresh day.
Next, Perry. He’s a good player, and very underestimated. Right now I’m inclined to believe he’s a townie due to the level at which he’s been encouraging independent thoughts. A mafian would have been more inclined to slip in with me and smashbro, suck up to us, and vote at Avos. (I’m looking a little at Relmitos here. I was flattered by his posts about me being a good player, but he certainly seemed to hover at the fringes of discussion beyond the flattery and then voted Minby, for as little reason as the bandwagon against Sonix had gone down. It's okay to not vote if you don't know much about the leading candidates, but I dunno. Worth looking at, just like DF.) Perry on the other hand speaks with reason, for thoughtfulness, and has been pretty perceptive so far. He COULD be acting obsequious, but I find it's less likely due to the independence in action to smash and I, and willingness to pick up on his own leads. If he's a mafian or third party he's playing the spot well, but I think he might be trustworthy.
Speaking of flattery, I'm actually looking at Relmitos funny right now. His post was, well, quite flattering, calling me a great player and all, but he seemed pretty ready to suck up and then hang on the edge of the discussion for a while before throwing a sort of noncommittal vote at Minby. He could just have been uncomfortable lynching any of the leaders, but this struck me as a little off. Not sure if I want to push for him or not; PMing him to see his response might be a good way to go.
This one might be obvious, but I fear that we’ve lost our vig now as well as what seems to be the cop (Terezi). Avos was Kanaya, and Kanaya has a chainsaw. Not to mention the fucking obvious part of the lynch post that had the lipstick dripping with Bec Noir’s blood. I suppose I shouldn’t be complaining, as he would probably have sliced me or smashbro tonight, but the loss of a vigilante is never good.
Finally, I’m 90% sure Requiem is an innocent wielding a votesteal or doublevote ability. Here’s why. If you look at the day 1 results, Weldar wasn't expecting to die, as seen by his reaction. He was tied with Requiem at the end. I think Req used a votesteal or doublevote to move one of the votes off himself onto Weldar, and I think he did the same day 2 from one of the other players onto Avos. This kind of ability is usually something a mafia wields, but I think Requiem is actually innocent, because frankly I don't know why he would use such a power to kill Weldar. If he was to bus someone Viero would be a much better choice simply based on skill, and frankly I don’t think the mafia would sacrifice a strong member like Weldar to preserve the other two (Viero and Req in this scenario). Either way with Snake hosting this game I think he would be careful, or at least Weldar in this scenario would caution him against forcing a tie with a teammate, as I bet Snake has a kill-them-all policy. I thus think there's a better chance he could be a town mindtaker, or simply a doublevoter: It was Sollux who ended Vriska's life, and Sollux not only has psychic powers but is quite benevolent in the webcomic. He seems much more like a town role than scum. I’m hoping I can get into contact with Requiem sometime soon to test his reaction, see where he might stand, and see if this is correct. If it is, he might be a safe one to connect with.
I’m not sure if I'll see the dawn, so in the case that I die hopefully you can put this to good use either way. Taking down another mafian Day 3 would put us in great shape.[/quote]
I avoided mentioning you to Perry at this point, I talked about Perry being innocent as a possible way to gain his trust, and mentioned Req’s votesteal and added a couple red herrings in the form of suspicion against DF, Sonix, and especially Relmitos. I also again downplayed td260’s role.
If Perry lives to see the day, there’s a good chance he’ll contact me or smashbro now. I’m hoping he goes for me, as I want as much control of this alliance as possible. I could have myself a third puppet. Relmitos, if he isn’t lynched, (and I doubt he will be unless we play this exceedingly well) could be a fourth, based on how much he defended me.
So there you have it. Right now I’m posed as one of the two heads of a town coalition, and have effectively gained control of Requiem, Smashbro, and hopefully Perry. I think that if necessary I could get Relmitos under my thumb as well, but right now he makes a pretty decent scapegoat for the lynch.
We need an order of lynches. Ideally we want to get attention off td260 in a good, subtle way. If we play our cards right we can win on day 5 or 6. I’d love to see a mafia win right now, given the situation we’ve clawed our way out of. I’m not counting on anything though. We have to play it safe. We can’t assume we’ve won even if we can arguably force a tie by controlling Req today.
Quaetam- Posts : 74
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Re: Master Plan (SEE THIS TO CATCH UP RAYA)
Have I ever mention how much I love you Q?
This is a lot to digest, but it's rather brilliant. You've done your homework indeed.
This is a lot to digest, but it's rather brilliant. You've done your homework indeed.
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Re: Master Plan (SEE THIS TO CATCH UP RAYA)
I've learned that I should not post in mafia games unless I can think about what i'm saying. -.- the post I slipped in I had typed at work on my phone, and I only realized after I was accused that I had seriously screwed up the wording in the post.
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